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« on: August 25, 2007, 10:16:29 AM »

Several years ago the US Forest Service started their own mapping program to update the older USGS quad maps. The theory was that the USFS would update forest boundaries, roads, and other important information.  

It appears that the USFS has used this new program in part to move forward their own agenda of road closers, and also to remove the historic American mining history in the west. This is being done without public approval or hearings. It is being carried out under federal regulations, and our so called public lands are being stolen away from us ever so silently and quickly. 

If you were to pick up a USGS Poison Canyon, Utah Quad and a new US Forest Service Poison Canyon, Utah Quad you will find the following differences; road closers, roads have been removed, roads have been drawn in the wrong locations, and all the mine symbols have been removed from the map. One example of this is the removal of the North Notch Spring road. Another example is a number of the side roads off of county road 224 have a map symbol across them indicating that they are closed to public use.  

In my opinion the map is just one example of how the USFS is working to take away our access to public lands. Other examples are the new gate on the mountain road just outside Monticello, Utah, the road closers on Milk Ranch Point in Utah, and the deliberate destruction and removal of historic mining and homestead history on forest lands. 

This behavior is not just subject to the USFS. In the last year in San Juan County Utah we have seen the BLM remove all the public campsites from the popular climbing and camping area Indian Creek with no regards to the public’s needs or rights. This also was done with out any public approval or hearings. 

This covert method of taking away public access and lands without public approval or hearings will continue unless we take a stand. So please find a way in your area to become aware of the issues dealing with our public lands, and get involved anyway that you can. If we don’t get involved now there won’t be any reason to be involved later.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 11:46:12 PM »

The U.S. Forest Service has begun imposing travel restrictions on ATVs and other off-road vehicles nationally, ending their long-standing permission to go almost anywhere.
The move marks the end of the principle that forest lands are "open unless designated closed" to motor vehicles and instead establishes that they are "closed unless designated open."
"People would say, 'Well, look, there's a two-track there, and it's been there for a long time,"' said Paul Cruz, recreation staff officer for the Arapahoe National Forest. "That won't work anymore. Now, the burden is on the user to have a ... map and to follow it."
That means that off-road vehicles are allowed only on trails marked on new travel maps being drawn up for each national forest - in some cases excluding popular existing routes.
The growing popularity of off-road vehicles has proved to be a difficult trend to control for land managers, who say the growing network of illegal trails created by wayward motor vehicles is among their biggest problems.
By 2003, there were 14,000 miles of such "user-created" trails in the national forests.
Annual sales of all-terrain vehicles continue strongly after more than tripling since 1995, with more than 10 million four-wheelers and dirt bikes now registered.
Former Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth observed that if even 1 percent or 2 percent of ATV users go off route, "the cumulative impact is tremendous."
"You don't have to go far to see it. I could show you slide after slide," he said, "tire tracks running through wetlands, riparian areas churned into mud, banks collapsed and bleeding into streams ... and sensitive meadows turned into dust bowls."
For years, motorists have been able to travel off route as long as they weren't damaging the land, said Loren Paulson, recreation staff officer for the Grand Mesa National Forest.
"Obviously, ATVs sort of made things a little more difficult because they can go a lot more places," he said.
"You get the first couple of riders, and they just bend over the grass," Paulson said. "Someone else sees those tracks, and they follow them, and 50 vehicles later you have what appears to be a route. And how can you give a ticket to the 50th person?"
As staff members at each district and forest across the country craft motor-vehicle travel maps over the next two years, the routes become official - either open or closed - and violators can be ticketed.
One problem: The maps, which will be made available online, at ranger stations and in local outdoor-oriented businesses, are printed in black and white and don't show many landmarks, making navigation difficult.
The new federal travel rule was established in 2005 but so far has been applied only in a few national forests such as the Grand Mesa in western Colorado.
The changes take effect in each district as soon as the maps become available, though some aren't scheduled to be completed until 2010, possibly creating a patchwork of varying rules when trails cross boundary lines.
So far, the Forest Service has closed 2 million acres that have been open generally to cross- country travel.
The agency is ultimately seeking to restrict motor vehicles to designated routes on all 193 million acres, officials say.
In Colorado, where an estimated 877,000 people take ATV trips each year, only the Grand Mesa National Forest has completed its maps, in part because it had an existing travel-management plan in place.
To conservationists seeking environmental protection and quiet forests, the new rules offer relief from off-road vehicles running everywhere.
"Vehicles had essentially unregulated use of the national forests," said Andy Stahl, executive director of Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics. "For the most part, it's been free range for ATVs."
Even many four-wheeler groups acknowledge that specifically designated motor-vehicle routes are needed to stem abuse.
"All the people I've had contact with, by and large, think this is appropriate," said Jack Welch, president of the Blue Ribbon Coalition, an advocacy organization for motorized users.
Both sides, however, are concerned over which trails make the lists of official routes.
In some cases, fairly recent user-created routes are being included, and in others, traditional paths are being overlooked, according to ATV groups and conservationists.
On the Uncompahgre Plateau, land managers tried to compromise, allowing informal routes that "made sense" and that passed a lengthy criteria list, including wildlife and erosion concerns, Paulson said.
Meanwhile, some spurs, shortcuts and routes that ventured into environmentally sensitive areas have been closed.
"No one is going to be 100 percent happy," Paulson said. "A lot of the public was saying: 'I've driven this route for 30 years.' And the other side wanted them closed."
Staff writer Steve Lipsher can be reached at 970-513-9495 or slipsher@denverpost.com.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2007, 08:02:44 PM »

The BLM in Monticello has introduced a new management plan. The indications are that the BLM plans on closing a lot of public land in San Juan County Utah to OHV use. They have also started charging the public to use county roads on public land and to pay fees to enter the Cedar Mesa area on curtain roads and trails. The reality is that the county maintains all the roads and I all my time hiking in the Cedar Mesa area I have yet to see a BLM trail crew or any enhancing the area for public use. As soon as I can get the BLM to give me a copy of their plan I will pass it on.

There are a lot of good organizations that are fighting the closer of our public lands and I would encourage those that are concerned to aid in this struggle by joining these groups so that they will have the funds to fight the special interest groups that are out there.

San Juan County: SPEAR - San Juan Public entry and access rights http://www.spear4all.com/

USA-ALL - Utah Shared Access Alliance - Access for all http://usa-all.com/

The thing that most extremest don't realize is that all these closers will effect them as well if not now in the future.  There is enough public land for all of the different types of users to enjoy with out taking anything away from the other group. It's just going to take open communication, trust, and respect for each other.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 12:15:48 PM »

Does anybody know the kind of radio I need to be looking that is compatible with the forest service, I know Art said he had a Bendix, but which model do I need. Are they VHF or UHF or something else.
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